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Mehdi Hasan introduces Mark Ruffalo to the "We're Not Kidding" podcast. Ruffalo discusses his new show 'Task,' a heavy drama about FBI agents dealing with difficult family issues and blue-collar struggles. He also talks about his acting career, noting a recurring theme of playing characters who investigate things like defense attorneys, reporters, and FBI agents.
Ruffalo reflects on his role as the Hulk in Marvel movies, appreciating the continuity and the opportunity to work with different directors who create unique film universes. He addresses the snobbery some high-brow directors have towards Marvel films, asserting that filmmaking is about storytelling regardless of genre. Hasan shares his own enjoyment of Marvel movies and the powerful audience reactions they evoke.
Ruffalo explains his political origins, attributing them to his father's humanitarianism and religious teachings emphasizing fighting for the less fortunate. His environmental activism started when he witnessed the pollution of Lake Michigan as a child and later became a prominent anti-fracking advocate after seeing its impact on communities.
Ruffalo criticizes Democratic Party leaders for failing to hold those accountable for the Iraq War and for suppressing populist, progressive voices like Bernie Sanders. He argues that this lack of accountability and the focus on donor class interests paved the way for figures like Donald Trump, who capitalized on public anger.
Ruffalo details his long-standing involvement in Palestine activism, which began with questioning the conflict in the Middle East during the Iraq War. He describes experiencing intense attacks and being labeled an 'anti-Semite' for his support of Palestinians, an accusation he vehemently refutes by emphasizing his humanist stance. He highlights the pervasive propaganda machine that fosters ignorance on the issue.
Ruffalo advocates for drastic measures, including boycotts, divestment, sanctions, and prosecution against institutions and production companies complicit in what he calls a 'genocide' and 'ethnic cleansing' in Gaza. He expresses hope that other industries will follow suit and underscores the need for people to maintain moral integrity in these difficult times.
Ruffalo shares how his stance on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has strained relationships with friends, particularly those who deny the Palestinian people's existence or justify actions against them. He notes the immense pressure actors face to remain silent but observes a growing number of people speaking out as the reality of the situation becomes undeniable.
Ruffalo criticizes the Biden administration for its policies regarding Gaza, calling out individuals like Blinken, Miller, and Sullivan as 'war criminals' who created the current oppressive structures. He discusses the disbelief at the current political landscape and expresses hope for a revitalization of democracy if progressive movements continue to gain traction.