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Amy Dresner, a recovering drug addict and author, shares her epic journey through addiction involving meth, Oxycontin, alcohol, and sex, leading to felony conviction and psych wards. She offers advice for those struggling: be gentle with yourself, drop the shame, seek help through therapy or support groups, and understand that action precedes change ('mood follows action'). She encourages listeners to 'buy themselves 20 minutes' when cravings hit, as urges will pass, and emphasizes that anyone can get sober.
The host opens by emphasizing that addiction doesn't discriminate and shares his personal experience of overcoming alcoholism 23 years ago. He highlights the existence of a solution for anyone suffering from addiction, which begins with the decision to ask for help, urging listeners to reach out to the provided resources if they are struggling.
Dr. Anna Lembke, a professor of psychiatry, defines addiction as the compulsive use of a drug or behavior despite harm. She explains the neurochemistry of addiction, focusing on dopamine as the key neurotransmitter for motivation and reward. She illustrates how addictive substances create significant dopamine spikes, leading the brain to downregulate its receptors, resulting in a 'dopamine deficit state' where one needs to use just to feel normal. She also discusses the role of genetics, psychiatric disorders, trauma, and easy access as risk factors for addiction.
Dan Perez recounts his journey into opioid addiction, which began with a Vicodin prescription for a back injury. He describes how the drug quickly became his primary focus, escalating to 60 pills a day and the elaborate schemes he used to maintain his supply. He talks about being prepared to die for the high and his relapse after an initial attempt at sobriety, highlighting the 'cunning, baffling, and powerful' nature of addiction, before achieving lasting sobriety in 2007.
Jessica Lahey, an expert on education and parenting, discusses the unique aspects of teen substance abuse due to brain plasticity during adolescence. She advises parents to consistently message total abstinence until legal age, countering the 'European romantic myth' of moderate drinking. Lahey emphasizes the importance of open and authentic communication with children, respecting their privacy, and having frequent conversations about substance abuse to build trust.
Artist David Choe shares his experiences with sex and gambling addiction, suggesting that all addictions are essentially gambling addictions because they involve taking risks despite potential negative consequences. He describes the shame associated with process addictions and his realization that he sought to lose, not win, as a way to feel something alive amidst his emotional pain. He credits a friend's intervention for his decision to seek help, rather than waiting to hit rock bottom.
Dr. Jud Brewer, a psychiatrist and neuroscientist, explains why willpower often fails in breaking compulsive behaviors. He points out that the prefrontal cortex, responsible for willpower, is the weakest part of the brain and goes offline under stress. He advocates for reward-based learning and mindfulness, offering an example of a study where smokers observed the unpleasant taste of cigarettes, leading them to quit. He emphasizes understanding our direct experience rather than intellectualizing addiction.
Jeff Grants, a former attorney, recounts his severe opioid addiction after an Achilles injury, culminating in a suicide attempt. He describes hitting a 'hard bottom,' losing everything, and finding refuge and structure in AA meetings. Despite briefly relapsing due to a legal issue and serving federal prison time, he highlights how 12-Step programs saved his life and provided a supportive community, challenging the notion that these programs are antiquated.
Dr. Gabor Mate, a specialist in addiction medicine, discusses his controversial but regulatory ideas about trauma as the root of addiction. He argues that addiction is not a bad choice or solely a brain disease, but an attempt to soothe pain, often stemming from early childhood trauma and emotional suffering. He emphasizes that all addictions, behavioral or substance-related, serve the same psychological purpose of escaping suffering and activate the same brain circuits.
Ultra-marathoner Charlie Engle reflects on why his initial recovery attempts failed––his intellectual belief that he didn't need spirituality. He explains that an alcoholic's core is the 'insanity of that mental tweak' that makes them believe a self-destructive action is a good idea. He clarifies that his intense running is not merely transferring addiction but allows him to genuinely express himself, unlike his past addiction which stifled his personality. He now embraces admitting wrongs and finding healthy outlets instinctively.
Musician Mishka Shubaly discusses handling cravings, likening them to a 'red flag' prompting introspection rather than shame. He shares a striking incident where he accidentally took a swig of pure vodka during a performance but chose to spit it out, realizing his true desire not to drink. He addresses the adage of being able to 'go anywhere' in sobriety, attributing his ability to navigate triggering environments due to the supportive community and friendships, including the host's, that he carries with him.