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Jason Perry introduces the topic of civil discourse, especially relevant during the Thanksgiving holiday when families gather. Former Governor Gary Herbert notes that political rancor is generally seen as worsening, especially at the national level, where stakes are high and politics become 'us versus them.'
Boyd Matheson highlights survey results showing that many adults have ended friendships over politics and believe opponents don't share core American values. He argues that political polarization has evolved into a 'contempt problem,' where disagreement leads to personal attacks. Ronnell Anderson Jones emphasizes how social media algorithms are designed to generate engagement through fear and anger, curating extreme examples from opposing viewpoints and fostering vilification.
The panel discusses the rise of partisan media, especially cable television, which reinforces stereotypes and increases ratings through controversy. Ronnell notes that while partisan media isn't new, modern media lacks the objective journalistic norms of previous decades. Boyd adds that people often seek out media that validates their existing views, leading to a lack of curiosity and a dangerous inability to listen to differing opinions.
Governor Herbert stresses the importance of listening and finding common ground, recalling his practice of meeting with Democrats in the legislature to hear their ideas. He laments the decline of political overlap and compromise, which was once a hallmark of governance. Ronnell points out that contemporary politics are often driven by 'loading and hatred' towards opposing groups rather than loyalty to a party or policy. This leads to a lack of accountability for elected officials who share these antagonisms.
Boyd explains the 'Dennis Rodman syndrome,' where people tolerate objectionable behavior from their political allies because they deliver desired outcomes. He argues that political division is often weaponized by those in power to avoid addressing critical issues, maintain control, and raise campaign funds. Governor Herbert adds that anonymity in social media further fuels mean-spirited attacks, making it easier for people to engage in negative emotional reactions.
Ronnell offers two types of recommendations: an individual 'people level' approach, urging self-assessment and exposure to diverse media inputs, and a 'platform level' approach, calling for greater transparency from social media companies about their algorithms and content decisions. She argues that understanding how these platforms shape public discourse is a crucial first step towards solutions. The panel discusses whether it's possible for elected officials to win without engaging in divisive tactics, with the general consensus that while challenging, it is still possible and necessary to pursue civility.
Boyd provides practical advice for fostering civil discourse: avoid instant certainty, recognize that not everything needs to be said, and ask genuine questions followed by active listening. He emphasizes that despite divisions, most people have much in common and desire more elevated conversations. Governor Herbert concludes by reminding everyone to focus on gratitude during Thanksgiving, finding common ground in shared blessings.