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The Journey, Episode 3: The Industry

In The Dark · The New Yorker

Sep 29, 2026 · 59 min

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It takes a village to create such a large family. Ava uncovers how the stunning lack of regulation in the surrogacy industry enabled the couple’s plans.

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