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The episode begins with hosts Tanya Doll and Cody Blue welcoming listeners to the 'Ask the Squares' podcast. They introduce their guests, David Carter, a legendary team builder and Danny Goler, an investigator, for part two of their discovery episode. They highlight Carter's role and his personal journey into this space.
David Carter shares his personal story, starting with a severe injury and a near-death experience in October 2021. He recounts being met by someone in a comfortable place, experiencing a life review, and being told he wasn't 'done yet.' This experience, which he later learned mirrored DMT encounters, set him on a quest to understand these realms. He decided to experiment with DMT, making his own and exploring these other dimensions, guided by his wife who supported his unusual journey.
Carter describes his endeavor to find empirical evidence for the reality of these realms. He found Danny Goler on Reddit, who had developed a method using lasers to visualize a 'code' in reality. Skeptical at first, Carter built his own laser and, after some initial struggles and advice from Danny, was able to see the code himself. Realizing the profound implications, he reached out to Danny to form 'Code of Reality,' a non-profit organization aiming to bring together smart people to understand this phenomenon, combining consciousness with cognitive physics.
Danny praises Carter's ability to organize and mobilize people for complex projects. They discuss the challenge of communicating such a profound and often esoteric discovery to a broader audience. Carter's approach involves removing obstacles to understanding, such as bringing the laser to conferences to physically demonstrate the 'code,' making the abstract concept tangible. They emphasize the importance of making these profound experiences accessible and understandable, comparing it to an ancient, 'neo-shamanic' task of bridging the gap between the enlightened and the unenlightened.
Danny differentiates their work from traditional shamanism, viewing it more as an enterprise of understanding reality through science, not just spiritual connection. He proposes a broader definition of science that includes human understanding beyond measurable phenomena. Carter introduces 'Project Veil Break,' an initiative within Code of Reality to conduct experiments and publish research, aiming to understand what can be done with this knowledge. They draw parallels to the double-slit experiment, highlighting how discoveries in quantum physics, like the observer effect, have led to significant technological advancements, predicting similar unforeseen implications for their current discoveries. They clarify a common misconception about the observer effect in the double-slit experiment, emphasizing that it's the measuring apparatus, not a conscious observer, that changes the particle's behavior.
The discussion shifts to the idea that reality might be a simulation, which helps explain the observed blend of spiritual and technological aspects seen in altered states. Carter suggests that the realms beyond our perceived reality are simultaneously hyper-spiritual and hyper-technological. They see biological bodies as 'meat suits,' essentially biological machines, and the separation between technology and biology as a false one in these higher realms. They discuss how evidence points to consciousness being primary and reality secondary, and how understanding this can lead to practical tools for navigating existence.
Danny introduces a practice called 'constellation,' which involves visualizing future mundane events in vivid detail and then acknowledging their manifestation. This practice, he explains, is a way of communicating with existence and demonstrating an understanding of how reality responds to conscious intent. It suggests that reality is a co-creative partner, constantly communicating through symbols and patterns. They discuss the idea that reality is 'waiting for you to notice it,' and how phenomena like DMT encounters often deliver an initial message of constant presence and responsiveness to inquiry.
They posit that this reality is a 'free will school,' where individuals learn how to manage their ability to manifest. Physicality, they suggest, acts as a set of 'training wheels,' creating a delay between thought and manifestation to prevent chaos. The meaning of life, in this context, is for reality (or God) to understand itself through diverse experiences. They explore the paradox of infinite loneliness in ultimate oneness and how fracturing into many parts allows for both discovery and the letting go of the need to know. This perspective suggests that the purpose is to both learn and to ultimately reintegrate, having experienced and grown.
The conversation touches on the importance of the 'middle path,' acknowledging both joy and suffering as integral parts of existence, rather than clinging to a purely positive, 'love and light' perspective. They discuss how Buddha's teachings on 'attachment as suffering' were radical for his time, aiming to exit the karmic cycle entirely rather than pursuing higher realms. They question whether Buddha's teachings, crafted in a time of pervasive suffering, fully apply to a modern world with more potential for enjoyment. They suggest that true skill lies in not attaching to any experience, whether amazing or mundane, to achieve equanimity. They also discuss how the 'neutrality' often associated with ketamine experiences, a lack of caring without dullness, might align with this concept of equanimity, but also highlight the profound difference between absence of feeling and true zen.
The hosts inquire whether their research into alternative realities and entities sheds light on the UFO/UAP phenomenon. Carter states that while he is open to these ideas and encounters entities in his experiments, their focus remains on areas they can test and verify scientifically. He invites listeners who might have testable hypotheses for UFO/UAP phenomena to join their discussions within the 'Code of Reality' community, emphasizing the need for scientific verifiability. The episode concludes with promotions for Danny's YouTube channel, Dango Thoughts, and the upcoming 'Code of Reality' film.